Imagine a world designed for you. A world where you feel safe and valued. What do you need in this world? That’s how we start this episode. This episode is a bouquet of stories, featuring the words of more than a dozen Black transwomen, exploring themes of Black trans joy and gender euphoria. This episode is a love letter for Black trans women from Black trans women. May we be grateful enough to hear it. Guests include: Mojo Disco, Iman Hill, Qween Jean, Bryanna Jenkins, Mercy Kelly, Aurora Lloyd, Ameirah Neal, Simaya “The Lioness” Turner, Jasmin Van Wales, Arisce Wanzer, Tamara M. Williams, and Lala B Zannell, with a special performance from Vita E. Cleveland. Be sure to give flowers to the Black trans women in your life and in your community!
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Vita E. Cleveland
Miss Mojo Disco (She/Her) is a multi-talented Personality, Curator, Photographer, Poet, +Model, and Artist from NYC. Anointed the Queen of the Trans Revolution, Mojo is an advocate for the Black Trans community, the Arts, Equality, and Love. Miss Mojo is the Artist and the Art.
Iman Hill aka “Raps Mona Lisa” is a hip hop artist, model and trans activist from Atlanta, GA currently living in the NYC area. In her spare time, Iman is a community organizer and dot-connector for LGBT resources and is an active member in NYC’s ballroom community.
Qween Jean is a New York based Stage and Film Costume Designer. Founder of Black Trans Liberation. Qween has committed her voice to advocating for marginalized communities; specifically Black trans people. Her passion is creating access for unsung heroes and people who are often overlooked. She feels their stories are valuable and deserve recognition. She has an MFA in Design from NYU Tisch School of the Arts.
Bryanna A. Jenkins, Esq. is a civil rights attorney. She is the current 2020-2021 George N. Lindsay Legal Fellow at the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law where she works in the Educational Opportunities Project. Before law school, Bryanna founded and led the Baltimore Transgender Alliance to serve the political interests of transgender people in the Baltimore metropolitan area. She is a fierce advocate for the liberation transgender people of color. She also co-hosts Box No. 512 Podcast: Grown Black Trans Women Talk, a weekly podcast and multi-media platform that centers Black trans feminine experiences.
Mercy Kelly is a Brooklyn-based Black trans visual artist and advocate who isn’t here to be your teachable moment. Mercy’s work focuses on the beauty of fat, femme body performance as liberation. Mercy is passionate about expanding narratives and understandings of what it means to be trans, moving towards re-idealizing the notion of what it means to have a body. Mercy is interested in the ways we map desire, paying particular attention to how hue, color, size, and shape form our deepest longings.
Aurora Lloyd has broken through a lot of obstacles. In this day and age, it’s hard to find a genuine artist who is immensely talented but there are a select few R&B Singer/Songwriters like Aurora Lloyd who just wants to give you her heart through her music. She released her first mixtape in 2016 called "#InsidemyNotebook". Then in 2019, she dropped her first highly anticipated EP “Anaomi” which had the supporting hit singles “Stay Here” and “Secret” She is currently recording her debut album "Neptune". The world is not ready for the change she is about to bring!
Ameirah Neal is a Black trans independent artist based in Washington DC. Ameirah had been creating since she was a child. She specializes in painting, and fashion design. She has her Associate’s Degree in specialized business, majoring in Fashion Marketing from The Art Institute of York Pennsylvania. She also has her Bachelor’s Degree in Fine Arts from The International Academy of Design and Technology majoring in Fashion Design. The beauty of Black women, both cis and trans is what inspires her work.
Simaya The Lioness Turner (Goddess), also known as The Lioness, is originally from South Carolina, and currently resides in Atlanta, Georgia. She is a graduate of Georgia State University with a Bachelor’s Degree in Managerial Sciences. Lady Turner is certified in HIV/ Testing and Counseling, and she has over 12 years of experience in Organizational Management, Program Development, and Grant Writing/Evaluation in the healthcare field. She is currently the Executive Director of TILTT. INC, which stands for Trans Individuals Living Their Truth Inc. She is also a host on Box No,512 Podcast: Grown Black Trans Woman Talk, with attorney Bryanna A. Jenkins, and her own solo podcast, The Lioness Still Lives: Conversations with a Black Trans Goddess.
Jasmine Van Wales is a true native New Yorker born and raised in Brooklyn and resides in the Bronx. Jasmin is a multi crown title Holder, and a Ballroom/Stage Icon actress dancer choreographer; also made cameo appearances as a Legendary Mother on season 1 2 and 3 on Pose; and has numerous awards. She's also a HIV survivor and a loving mother to her Van Wales children and loves giving back to her community. Jasmin til this day at the age of 51 strives to be best of the best and just recently earned her new title the first MX JUNETEENTH 2021 with the BaBEC organization (Black and Brown Equality Coalition) on Fire Island.
Arisce Wanzer is a transgender supermodel, three times featured in Vogue Magazine, and more widely known for her role in the GLAAD award winning reality series ‘Strut’. She is the current face of Truvada and hosts her own LGBTQ dating segments on Grindr’s YouTube channel called ‘What the Flip’. She hosted the first over sold out Los Angeles LGBTQ pride festival and recently hosted the Slay Model Competition.
Tamara M. Williams is an actress/dancer/writer from NYC! Most recently had a recurring role on hit tv show, “Dispatches from elsewhere” as a fierce, high, energy Aerobics Instructor (AMC); [was also in] season 1 of “Pose” on ‘Netflix’. Her theatrical start was being featured in The New York Times Critics pick "Street Children!" choreographed by Tamara. Tamara is a classically trained performer by way of Harlem School of The Arts and a former Human Rights Campaign youth ambassador. Tamara co-starred in the award winning feature film "The Garden Left Behind." She continues to reinvent the ways we view Trans/Gender non-conforming Non Binary Performers.
LaLa Holston-Zannell leads the ACLU’s advocacy and organizing work to support and empower transgender and nonbinary people. In 2015, LaLa was featured on the Advocate’s Trans 100 list. Recently, LaLa created the first Trans Discrimination Survey in New York City to collect data on trans people’s experiences in employment. She was previously Lead Organizer at the New York City Anti-Violence Project (AVP) where she led AVP’s public community organizing work by doing advocacy, outreach and networking on behalf of LGBTQ New Yorkers who have experienced violence.
Brandon: So, I was looking at random lgbtq facts and y’all, let me read this one. A woman in Nebraska tried to sue all gay people in 2015. Sis wrote a seven page petition in cursive and all that! Clearly it did not succeed. The gay agenda prevails! Now, let’s get back to queer.
[Let's Get Back To Queer theme music by Byrell the Great]
Brandon: Welcome to Let’s Get Back To Queer, where we bake gingerperson cookies for the dummies that STILL don’t understand the difference between gender and sex. I’m your host Brandon Nick. Now let’s get into the show.
Black. Trans. Joy.
Happiness caused by something exceptionally good or satisfying. An emotion of great delight.
Festive gaiety. A state of felicity.
An experience of euphoria.
Joy, all the things we deserve.
To my sisters.
[To My Sisters Montage]
Find freedom in joy,
I love you.
Close your eyes. Take a deep breath in…. And out.
Imagine a world designed for you.
A world where you feel safe and valued.
What do you need in this world?
[Montage of women listing their life’s desires]
Vita - Poem: A dream come true. We are the wildest dreams of our trancestors come to life. The beating of ancient drum, now transformed to the snap of fingers, clap of hand, spit of sickening syllables, the full weight of bodies spinning magic into the air appearing weightless on descent; landing fiercely without effort to vibrant hair, bald heads, boss braids, lits wigs tits out clit, click and dick out, hedonistic liberation. Authenticity sourced from bloodlines of deities Brown skin, perpetually creating euphoria, trans truth, Afro tenacity, revolt beating in pulse with the heartbeats of black trans elders, black trans futures, learning and evolving the pace. While we the present give and receive the lessons as we learn them. We are the wildest dreams of our trancestors come to life.
Lala: To my sisters, know that. You are loved and affirmed in every way that you are, and that God makes no mistakes, or the higher power or whatever you believe in makes no mistakes. But you are perfect and authentic in every way.
Aurora: To my sister, you are more than your body. You are more than your genitalia. You are an entire spirit.
Tamara: To my sisters. The power of love and life is truly phenomenal. And those who argue against it have simply not yet understood.
Qween: To my sisters know that you are a person of value. That you are worth being loved, you are worth being held, you are worth being celebrated. And remember that you cannot compromise any of those things. I love you.
I experience gender euphoria, when I, I’ll say it was around 28 years old, I realized that my Black ass was fine. One of my most fondest memories when I was getting married, I got married in Hawaii. I got dressed in my hotel room and we got married on the beach and we had a red convertible to take us to the beach, honey. It was a whole thing, it was a whole thing, it was a carry! And, um, I remember after the wedding, like we went back to the hotel room will be changed and we went to go get our reservations, and we ate at this restaurant. And I remember I put on this catsuit, cause mama still had to get hers in! I had a, um, a 40 inch weave put in and this was back in the day, day. Cause I used to sell Virgin hair back in the day back when it was truly Virgin. I had worn my most crystal, bedazzled shoes. When I tell you I was the one in this black catsuit with my, with my, with my, with my natural mone breasts out, I was loving myself, and I'm giving you bawdy.
I get to the lobby and there's a group of Asian tourists in the lobby and they began to applaud. But baby, when I tell you applaud, they started screaming. Like I was like, I was one of the Beatles. In that moment. I remember having this feeling of my pussy is popping and it pops severely. And it's because I felt like I had achieved this thing that meant something to me because I was marrying the love of my life. But it was also this moment of me realizing like nothing will ever, ever, ever, ever, ever be denied to me because of who I am. If anything, it will be greater because of who I am.
Aurora: The leading women in my life, my sisters, my mom, my grandmother... their level of acceptance. And seeing me for the woman that I am, and not having to really put up a fight to prove it, gives me a high. I have such great, strong, powerful Black woman supporting me and my, and my, my Black womanhood and Black trans womanhood. They call and check on me and somebody will say baby girl, or she or watching them like correct each other, if somebody's mis-gendered and get mad. Like, you knew what I meant.
Qween: I would say that I practice joy in my life by surrounding myself with happy things. Normally they would include an acrylic full nail set or gel powder.
Iman: Going back to things that make me happy as a child, I listened to a lot of classical music, almost sacred to me to be able to play my music and just, you know, go to different worlds and different fantasies that are told through these, you know, through these pieces.
Aurora: I practice and experience joy in my life through video games.
Ameirah: Just like surrounding myself around people that I know that loves me. And that loves to be around me.
The Lioness: I experienced joy in my life numerous ways. I have really felt extreme and deep love for people that have sewn into me, even when I didn't see love for myself. And then now as a trans woman in her mid to late thirties, I find myself wanting and needing the desire to feel like I'm sewing back into the lives of people. And sharing love is how I experienced love.
Iman: Um, I'm blessed to know a lot of older trans women and people who can guide me and help, you know, steer me in the right direction through their experiences that may not were told, but they lived through the eighties, the nineties, the AIDS epidemic, and...
Lala: And I would not be able to learn how to survive and navigate this earth if it was not for my older generational sex workers of, of my time, they've taught me so much.
Vita - Poem: Warriors who refuse to let silence or submission be our melody. We prove that shit with our feet, our canes, our wheels, our signs, and our voices taking the streets before ignorance finishes it's evening commute. Rattling the earth, cracking the sky in two. Streets know Black trans rage stronger than they know the red of our blood. Though, the streets still know it, well. Now the world knows history books with our names actually in them. Immortalized in black ink, leaving the red behind.
Iman: I remember the very first day I took the hormone shot. Um, a lot of girls have stories of giving girls the mone shot or giving them their first mone shot. This might sound embarrassing, but I, my first hormone shot, I was in the back of a car, my gay mother, she told me to bend over and she, she stuck me up. She shot me. At this point, it's like one or two in the morning. I was distracted, hours like in the hours that led up to it. And I don't know, like in my mind they weren't even there. It was like, I was driving to my own destination. We were like, can we get some alcohol? Like, we need some alcohol to clean our- rub ourselves down. Like we need a little cotton ball or something. So we're doing all of that behind the train station, right around the corner at three in the morning. But it's like, as corny and as funny as it sounds, I will never, ever forget that.
She educated me enough to know what I had to do on the days that followed and you know, what steps to take and just being real and honest about the journey that we were going to, that we were embarking on. And I don't think I would have gotten that from a doctor, but in a way I do feel like she birthed me, because she gave me the shot.
But I remember when we walked, when we got out of the car, I remember a feeling of just like, Oh my God, like I am one step closer. I think the reflection of what's going on in my mind is to show on the outside. And so every day that I see improvement, I feel a little bit of that gender euphoria.
Ameirah: So when I started my hormone therapy, um, I had expectations that things would happen overnight. I was 19 years old and I was about to leave to go to college. I was self medicating. I, I do not recommend that to anybody, but I wanted, that was something that I wanted so bad and I didn't feel like I needed anybody's validation. And I just went after it. And for me, I'm glad that I had the time that I did.
I actually got to see like my body changing before my eyes. The muscle mass deteriorate over time, seeing my skin, starting to glow, hair, less hair growing. I saw the curves in my body start to be more pronounced. And for me, that sent me. Bitch, a bitch couldn't tell me shit.
Tamara: A time for me, or a moment for me in my life experienced gender euphoria, um, was when I initially got my, um, gender confirmation surgery, like I woke up and I looked over to my left and see, it was just like this big, like leafly tree. Sturdy, but, um, but free. Kind of, it was kind of dancing and I just felt complete. It was like a sign from the universe that I was in the right spot that I had made the right decision.
Arisce : Black trans excellence is when you are paving the way for everyone who should have been you already behind you.
Mercy: What Black trans excellence looks like to me is, in a perfect world, Black trans excellence means I can do whatever the fuck I want and people still respect me as a human being.
Ameirah: Black trans excellence is just trans beauty at its finest.
The Lioness: Black trans excellence, to me, it looks like unpacking what it means to be Black, trans, and in society that tells us that we sometimes may have to choose between one or both. And I think being excellent means being in a place where we can be authentically all parts of ourselves without having to deny either. I think that's foundational. Before we get into all the accolades and the things that we can accomplish. We have to live in a society that is not oppressing Black, queer, femme, trans bodies.
Bryanna: Black trans excellence to me, it feels like just being a rebel. Just being a rebel. Knowing that all of the things that society told you was a lie and being really defiant and living your life on your own terms and overcoming any way. If it could feel like anything I would have imagined feel like being a superhero. And I guess the superhero I can connect it with most is like being one of the X-Men. Much like the X-men we as Black trans people, we are taking everything that society hates about us and we're using it to shift the culture.
Qween: Black trans excellence is a active thing. To me, it feels like, you know, we could be in the white house. I don't know, like yes I do know, yes.
Jasmin: Black trans excellence… What does it look like? Well, Black trans excellence looks like me.
Vita - Poem: Like no more being error, more like icon, more like Marsha P to Andy Warhol. Jennicet set to Obama's opportunism is major to the whole country and your most recent Emmy winning Netflix search. We are the wildest dreams of our transcestors come to life. We love ourselves out loud. We love each other. I’ve shaken the hand of a child clad in melanin, love, truth of identity and expression, and Black trans lives matter patched on their back. The smiles of those who no longer search for love and words kept in shadow. Now the sunlight that makes shades of earth, stone, sand and root grow makes love pop, like our skin, like our hearts. That love more viral than any campaign against us. Our agency, over our minds and bodies as fluid as the waves inside us. Sorcery beyond the range of closed minds. Conjuring outside the realms of hate and death.
Arisce: A moment that I've experienced gender euphoria was, shameless plug, when I was featured in Vogue Germany. And it's a whole page feature, like two pages. And it is my face, which is my mother's face, which is my grandmother's face. And so the fact that it can be a Black trans woman... nine-year-old me, would have passed out or just called you a liar if they said that was my future. Like I've only ever wanted to be a model my whole life. Like since I was 14, I wanted to be a model when I grew up and just looking at Vogue spread across my face, like right up top, like any fucking skinny white girl that gets it for no reason. It was just a big merit badge of I was here. What I felt was just the sense of it wasn't all for nothing. I did it. Y'all said I couldn't do it. And y'all are going to keep telling other little Black trans girls, they can't do it. And they can. The examples right here. The writing is on the wall. The call's coming from inside the house and girl, you can do it too.
Bryanna: Gender euphoria for me is like, like right now. Um, or ever since I, um, cut off my hair. I was diagnosed with cancer in the beginning of 2018. And then I went through chemo and as a result of the chemo, I lost my hair.
I really wasn't into like wigs and weaves. I was into wearing my natural hair and getting my natural hair done and going to the salon. That was something that was very important to me. I was always one of the girls that I go to the salon every two weeks to get my hair done. And then you go through this traumatic situation that forces you to change that. So when my hair first came out, I cried and I cried about it because to me it was a symbol of my womanhood. But throughout my chemo process and literally being physically stripped and not, not being in a position to like hormones, um, it caused, it caused me to really, um, turn in on myself. Am I still a woman? If I don't have the, the thing that I thought was the most feminine about me, which was my hair. I just got to the point of, this is me. This is what my hair like, this is what I will look like with my hair. I know I'm still a woman and they either going to accept it or not.
The woman that was doing my hair before I got cancer, she's also a licensed barber. So I felt comfortable enough going into her to cut my hair and she cut it. And like, it was one of the most, like, liberating experiences, because it was like all of those lies that I told myself and all of that fear that I had, it kind of melted away. For me, now I get my euphoric moments where me getting up in the morning, every day, going, showering and looking in the mirror, seeing my short cut hair and being okay with that. I'm so glad I did it and I don't regret it.
Tamara: What I love most about my trans community is our, uh, um, what's the word? Perseverance.
Aurora: We are some fighting ass people. We do not back down, we will fight til the cows come home.
Bryanna: I think the thing I love most about the trans community is that there is a spirit and a vibration inside of us. It's a spirit that you can't see it, you can't put it in a box. You can’t commodify it.
Jasmin: What I love most about the trans community is when it's time for us to come together we all come together.
Arisce: What I love about the trans community, we make the world a beautiful place. And the trans community in particular is resilient as hell.
Mercy: I love the sisterhood. No, shade. I love me some sisterhood, like...
Iman: I think it’s the comfort. The comfort I get just knowing I’m not the only one. And It reminds me of that everytime I step into a ball or everytime I step into a space where we occupy. It’s like oh my god I’m at home.
Qween: Literally we could be on a train platform. And there’s like the acceptance and the acknowledgement. There’s the snap, there’s the yes beauty you are everything. And to me that is something that I truly cherish, is that sisterhood. Wherever I may be, wherever I’m going. I see my sisters and they see me.
Vita - Poem: We are the wildest dreams of our transcestors come to life once deemed more target than human. Now, clapping back at presidential proportions. Every election will know that president cannot exist without the T. Neither can ancestry, witchery, resistance. Even culture itself owes us for the bite in its articulation. We carry our ratchet with our black feminist theory and unmatched aesthetic holding our trauma and our dreams as armor. Serpentine shade, hand in hand with steel spirit. As we transform the world. They have been reminded of the ways we transcend, transporting between the human and the divine. Living beyond the lies into our power, into our magic - anointed, immortal, eternal. We are the wildest dreams of our transcestors come to life and our dreams are wilder because of it.
Qween: Uh, I would say that a moment that really stands out to me, honestly, when I experienced gender euphoria, I was actually in, um, Midtown, uh, at the Kmart. And I was doing some shopping, uh, in the, you know, curvy lady side, uh, section. Um, you know, looking for some little things or whatever, little stretch pieces. There was a elder stateswoman, a Black queen who was also in that aisle. So she was in the aisle looking at some jeans and then adjacent to that, I guess they were just like, kind of like off the shoulder tops that have like little ruffle situation. And she was like, “baby, come on over here, you need to try this. This is going to look good on you, oh, yes. Ma'am.” Um, but what was really sexy or cute about it, right? Is that it had like a little rousing detail down to the center and the color was a, like a saffron yellow.
And that day I was not given, uh, you know, full, you know, it wasn't like, you know, I was, I was naturally me, right. Naturally happy, um, hair wrapped up in my crown and earrings and a little lip balm, but she saw me and I was like, oh my God.
In the moment, in that time, I wasn't even in a place where I don't know. It's crazy. I, um, I didn't buy it so funny cause I love clothes. That's my life really? Um, I like making people feel beautiful. I like making people feel, um, elevated or, uh, uh, transformed. And growing up, it wasn't like that. I felt like I was always hiding. I was, uh, I wouldn't say forced, but strongly encouraged to present myself as someone that I didn't know.
The reason why that moment sticks out to me so much is because I, I would have loved if that were my mom, cause I love her. I think she's oddly enough, she's everything I want to be: strong, resilient, a Caribbean woman honey, with everyting. And without fear, she lives in walks in life. Like she owns it and she does. And that day at Kmart, that woman reminded me that I could be.
Mercy: Cause one time I was walking down a block, I live in bedstuy. I think I was late. It was sunny outside. I was walking on the side of the street that gets as much shade as possible. And I passed this clothing store. So like, I speed walk. Like when I’m on a mission I’m like, I move quickly. Apparently like a woman had ran outside. So this woman, she ran outside the clothing store and she tapped this guy for him to get my attention. And then he got me and he pointed me to the woman and she just shouted out, “you know I love you, right sis!”
And I was like oh my god, like, that is so beautiful. Like, to be affirmed in that way. And so like that moment, that woman seeing me, I was like yes, this is just one of those things where it's like it's worth it. Where it all makes sense. Where it all adds up.
Bryanna: To my sisters. We have to look out for one another and stand in the gaps for one another. With the times that we are in now, it is so important for us to really be in community with each other and really love one another and not be in competition with one another.
Iman: To my sisters don't get bitter. We have a lot of girls who are alone and who fight silent battles. And it's because as a community, sometimes we don't love on each other as much as we should, in my opinion, as much as we used to back in the nineties where we were all we had.
Jasmin: To my sisters, I would love to see more unity with us and less, you know, bashing each other because it's bad enough. You know, the outside world is trying to get rid of us. They’re trying to erase us, but we have to learn how to come together so that we can be visible to everyone because we're here and we're not going nowhere.
Mercy: To them I say, take your time. Like, bake. You are in no rush. Be kind to yourself. Be gentle with yourself. Don’t compare yourself to no one. Oh my gosh don’t compare yourself to nobody. That is such a disservice. You are on your way. You are well on your way.
Arisce: To my sisters. You are valid. You are beautiful. You are so much more intelligent than the average person, because you've never had the luxury to live on autopilot. I know you've been studying girl and you can use that to your advantage. And so no matter what life throws at you, you can do it. Lean on your friends, lean on your loved ones, honey, lean on that chosen family. They will get you through this and you can get through this.
[Leiomy speech from ABDC:
Um, so much to say, little bit of time. Um, we’re proud that we got to show the world that y’know everybody can do anything they want. Anything you want to conquer, you can do it! Don’t let no one tell you you can’t do nothing in life. We love all our fans, this is not the last of us! Tuh, best believe this is not the last of us. Okay? We love our community, you know. Everyone out there, go for what you want. You know, go for your dreams. Don’t let nothing stop you. You know, love each other. You know, let your pride and your happiness push you to the furthest whatever. I love y’all, thank y’all for loving me. Love y’all bye!]
LaLa: I’ve always, I try to, um, always give my sisters, my brothers and my siblings, but we’re talking about my sisters right now, they’re roses while they’re here. And so one thing I already do is, anytime there’s any event that any one of my sisters or community members I know is doing something, I always bring them flowers.
Qween: There are a few Black trans goddesses that I would love to give roses
Ameirah: There are so many beautiful, beautiful, trans women that I just wanna, just hug and just give so much love and light to.
LaLa: All of my trans sisters that are out here, the ones that I know, the ones that I do not know, I want to give you all your roses simply because you're getting up everyday, living in your authentic self. No matter what the odds are. And that is to be celebrated.
Brandon: That’s our show. To Black Trans women and Trans femmes, thank you. I am who I am because of the Black trans femmes in my life. So thank you all for the magic y’all bring to this world. Like Qween said, you are worth being loved, you are worth being held, you are worth being celebrated. To everyone listening to this episode, my request is this: celebrate the Black trans women and femmes in your life and in your communities. Give them their flowers and continue to fight for them.
Thank you to all the women who contributed to this episode: Mojo Disco, Iman Hill, Qween Jean, Bryanna Jenkins, Mercy Kelly, Aurora Lloyd, Ameirah Neal, Simaya “The Lioness” Turner, Jasmin Van Wales, Arisce Wanzer, Tamara M. Williams, and Lala B Zannell. And shoutout to Vita E. Cleveland who performed her beautiful poem, A Dream Come True.
Let’s Get Back To Queer is produced by myself, Brandon Nick, as well as my windmilling warriors, Shannon Shird and Glenn Quentin George. This episode was edited by myself with sound mixing and design by Evan Joseph. If you enjoyed this episode then consider supporting us by becoming a patron on Patreon so we can continue to make dope episodes like this! Info on our website at lets get back to queer dot com.
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